Forum G

 Freewrite a 250 word (minimum) response to Kantz’s article using the following questions as guidelines:

o      Based on Kantz’s article:

§       First explain:  What abilities and knowledges does a strong reader and writer need to have?  How would you create a strong sustained research argument in Kantz’s opinion?  What would it look like?  Or what would it entail?  How would sources be worked with on the page in your essay?  How does she distinguish between opinions and facts and why is this distinction important?  How does rhetoric and rhetorical analysis come into play in reading and writing according to Kantz?  How does Kantz want you to conceive of yourself?  What ethos does she want you to create?  Lastly, how might Sibley be a role model for the kind of reader, writer, and thinker that Kantz advocates?

§       Second explain:  What might you do in your sustained research essay that mimics Sibley’s ethos and meet Kantz’s standards?  How will you create this ethos on the page? Be specific here.  I want to know what research methods you will implement to create that ethos, what sources you might draw on to create that ethos, and what you hope to accomplish as a rhetor on the page with your sustained research essay.  Also, what obstacles do you see yourself facing that arise as you research and write about this topic of inquiry.

**Remember, ethos is created on the page by presenting a credible voice, which gains respect of audience so that they will consider your argument.

6 responses to “Forum G

  1. A strong reader needs to obtain qualities of dedication and interest to the given topic in order to comprehend and absorb the information within the text. When reading an informational text, readers need to know what information is actually important to retain rather than reading and trying to retain it all. When it comes to writing, traits of a strong writer include attention to detail, structure, organization, and mechanics. In Kantz’s opinion, a strong writer using sources within their essay needs to cite information by enhancing their argument and not by telling a story. The citations used within my essay would enhance my point by providing truthful information that contributes to the reader’s knowledge of the topic at hand. Kantz believes that the writer needs to pay attention to the facts over opinions of their source. Rhetoric and rhetorical analysis come into play with Kantz’s article because she tries to inform the reader to find the writer’s rhetorical goals within the text instead of simply reading the essay. The reader develops a much greater understanding by seeing the rhetorical points given by the author.
    In my research paper I may choose to inform my reader more with my citations than I have in the past. I had a tendency to tell a story or narrate my essays with the in text quotes, but after reading Kantz’s argument, I will effectively place and cite my sources so that they enhance my point rather than state another author’s opinion. The research methods I plan to apply to this essay include conducting interviews, taking surveys, and creating multimedia research to benefit my researching experience. I want the rhetor of my essay to appeal to a mass audience and inform them about a very important issue our school is facing at the moment. Some obstacles I see myself facing through my research and essay writing are the biases I have against the move of the Fashion program due to the fact that I was directly affected by the change. I also feel that interviewing is going to be an issue with the people who are not associated with Syracuse University because they may not be willing to give me their opinion.

  2. A strong writer needs to have a topic that you can be dedicated to and can be used to express your ideas to the public. It is important that as a writer that the detail and outcome of the paper holds the readers interest. The paper has to be structured in a why that it is organized well and your able to get all of your research into the article. Kantz feels that a facts are more important. I plan on using interviews from different students to get my point across on how being a disabled student on campus has its’ drawbacks. I am not sure about rhetoric goals for this paper, but I do want the readers to truly understand the struggle that we are going through just to become a student and be proud of our abilities.
    I am trying to help give a voice to Beyond Compliance. These are people that wants to tell others what is on there mind and what they face day to day.

  3. Every piece of writing can be seen as a design. Like design, one should write with purpose and follow logic and structure for others to be interested. Also there needs to be personality, liveliness that is not old and dull but new and interesting. Therefore, a writer can follow a rhetorical approach to his or her writing composition. Kantz believes the ingredients of creating a strong sustained research argument would have three parts, the encoder, the decoder and reality (Kantz, 41). This is the standardized rhetorical structure that Aristotle used, which is having the writer, the audience and a strong topic. The paper would need to be clear and have a clear message from the start (thesis) but in the long run it will dive in deeper analysis. For instance, in Shirley’s situation, she followed a method that was to simply paraphrase different sources and did not realize the she need t o connect her research in a way that supports her arguments and derive new findings and conclusions on her own. In addition, the paper follows the standard rhetorical structure and to make the composition stronger, adding visual infographics will make it more interesting and fun to read. Rhetorical analysis according the Kantz allow students to “develop original ideas and to persuade the audience” (Kantz, pg 38). By practicing this way of writing, it makes writer’s more well-versed and educated. Practicing this now will make us be more professional and grow in every way.
    For my research paper, I really want to appeal to the investors of this school. I want to show that we should be valued as students, not just another business deal. I want to show them that we are here to grow and mature and serve the community to be a better place. I want to show the board members that by not providing us the proper resources can detriment communities that we try so hard to build, but based on various circumstances this school is actually separating people rather than connecting. I believe that a pictures says a thousand words and that it is important to incorporate visuals and photography in my magazine. I have already collected many articles about the history of why the warehouse was erected as well as student voices of the current merge of Com and Ad design programs. I believe that the data that I might collect will lead to inconclusive findings. I also do not want to have my own views intermixed too much with my findings. I also wonder if I will have an effect as a Com Designer on the opinions of Advertising designers during the interviews. Perhaps they will not say exactly what is on their mind for politeness. Nonetheless, I hope to write with enough purpose and conviction to show why space is contested and how it hinders and distresses people.

  4. Amanda Rhoads

    To be a strong reader you must be able to examine your texts with an open mind. Kantz shares many of the problems students have while reading source material and most of the problems come from students; reading sources like stories, expecting the source to be truthful about everything, and that many authors leave their own impression of the facts in a persuasive manor. A good strategies while reading text is to create organization patterns “cause-effect and general-to-specific” and using the rhetorical situation. The rhetorical situation can also help create a successful paper as well as when you are reading sources. To be a successful writer Kantz talks about using Kinneavy’s triangle to create goals for yourself as your writing. Both facts and opinions are both claims. The only difference depends on how they are perceived by the reader. An opinion will not be accepted as a truthful statement without baking it up with proof and then even that proof may or may not convince the audience what your saying is factual. Kantz believes that we need to think of opinions and claims in their context as well as who it is being written for and for what reason. Overall I believe Kantz is trying to show that if you don’t open up your mind and allow yourself to think in different ways you will never really get to the main point of textual sources. He says to go back to the basics of why, how so, and so what questions about the sources. I agree with much of what he is saying because I have been in the same position before. I wrote a great argumentative essay however at the end I realized I was missing perspectives from other angles on my topic. I need to go back to the basics and really understand the source material and use these strategies to help sort out what is factual and what is the author’s opinion.


    A strong writer needs to be able to think about “facts and opinions as claims”(43) and try less to read, summarize and then write. Based off Kantz, there is this implanted idea about how to write the perfect essay, specifically research papers, that involve students to find sources that help support their ideas and then they essentially manipulate the information they find and try to mold it into the argument they are attempting to prove. By having an open mind and being able to apply the skills of construction and detail and conciseness, the writing process should become easier for students. But also, a strong sense of creativity is “an inherently rhetorical quality”(47) and that by teaching students “to set reading and writing goals for themselves that will allow them to think constructively, we will be doing the most exciting work that teachers can do, nurturing creativity” (47). A strong writer has the ability to apply their information in a constructive way and not a story telling way. However, by using citations it most definitely expands the reader’s knowledge. According to Kantz, a reader can gain more from the essay based off of the rhetorical points specified by the writer.
    In my sustained research essay, I hope to use my sources less in a “Story-telling” manner and more like a “tell-it-how-it-is” manner. I also need to really be able to condense my information and be able analyze the information that will be useful and comprehendible to readers. I definitely need to learn how to develop and enhance my points instead of restating what I found in my source. I plan on interviewing and observing students for my research which will hopefully be of some interest to rhetors who read my essay because it will be from an interesting point of view from both students and they way they see themeselves the way that I saw them. From this though I hope to not show a bias towards the info that I find.

  6. A strong writer uses materials/sources to support their original claim/argument. He/she avoids rephrasing sources and quoting when paraphrasing is an option. A strong sustained research argument involves reading your sources and conducting primary research all before starting your essay. Then, using what you’ve gained from these materials to support an original argument.

    Kantz distinguishes between facts and opinions. Both are claims, however the difference is how they’re interpreted by an audience. An audience will accept a fact without questioning it. An opinion is a claim the audience will not accept without proof. The argument of an essay is an opinion that is backed up, in effort to pass it as fact.

    To create ethos, I need to make sure I am an expert on body language and status. This will come from the research stage of my project. I can also My research methods include observing people in the BBB dormitory elevator and interviewing people I observe at random. Also I will need to find sources that comment on the psychology of status and body language. The text People Reading by Ernst G. Beier, Evans G. Valens. I can also use the texts I used in my research proposal, the texts from the course: Scollen and Scullen, Flusty, and Mitchell.

    I hope to be able to call myself a rhetor by the end of this process. I want to be able to legitimately convince a reader to validate, if not side with my argument. I also want to be able to use sources that help my argument or even oppose my argument. Kantz brings up an interesting prospect of being able to spin a source that opposes your argument to make it support your idea. I would love to be able to do that.

    On my research proposal Laurie brought up using tables to sort observations/interviews, which I hadn’t even thought of. I’d like to work on using this method, because I think it could be helpful. I will probably till write out what I see, but it would be interesting to organize the observations objectively. With the tables I can create charts (pie charts, graphs, etc.) that can display my data for my readers in a clear way.

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